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gcg · Nov 04, 2005, 04:09 PM // 16:09

just got this axe... gold max chaos axe of axe mastery(20%), 15% in stance... mainly using a W/R TF build now for pvp, its doing great dmg... just wondering if its better to upgrade a 10/10 sundering or furious for pvp... money isnt a problem for me for getting either upgrade

Morganas · Nov 04, 2005, 04:12 PM // 16:12

Furious is good, sundering is worthless in every way.

Jetdoc · Nov 04, 2005, 04:18 PM // 16:18

My opinion would be neither, but...

Furious for an axe warrior is 100 times better than sundering. Even against an extremely well armored opponent, the 10% armor penetration will probably translate into 2-3 points of damage. That's one hit doing an extra 2-3 damage over 10 hits.

At least with furious you can accelerate the use of one of your attack skills, which is the bread and butter of axe warrior's damage potential.

Jetdoc · Nov 04, 2005, 04:20 PM // 16:20

By the way...I didn't give you any alternatives.

To me, vampiric is the most underutilized axe haft out there. People focus on the health advantages of the vamp, but honestly it's the additional 3 points of armor-ingoring damage per hit that has me sold.

Man With No Name · Nov 04, 2005, 04:28 PM // 16:28

Vampiric is better than both.

A 10% chance of getting "+10% Armour Penetration" or "Double Adrenaline" is garbage. If it was 50% chance then I could see how it could be worth it -- as it stands both are extremely s**t.

I've said this before but:

Roll a dice 10 times -- see how many times you land a 3. The odds are terrible ( 1 in 6 ). The odds of you landing a 3 on your die are greater than getting "+10% Penetration" or "Double Adrenaline" ( 1 in 10 ).

If your expecting to turbo-charge your adrenaline gain with Furious -- you'll be sadly dissapointed.

Take the Vamp for 3 extra damage per hit.

scatman · Nov 04, 2005, 04:31 PM // 16:31

^^ /agrees

jacksojj418 · Nov 04, 2005, 04:41 PM // 16:41

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=75182
My post that i put couple days ago, same thing

Eonwe · Nov 04, 2005, 07:19 PM // 19:19

Vampiric and Zealous are the best weapon prefixes in the game.

Lou · Nov 04, 2005, 07:38 PM // 19:38

But if ur using an axe your probably using tigers fury with it so the -1 degen is kinda annoying..

Eonwe · Nov 04, 2005, 07:41 PM // 19:41

I'm missing why I would probably be using Tiger's fury, or why the -1 degen would be hurting me, but that's beyond the point. Zealous is great on most weapons, excluding hammers.

Frank The Tank · Nov 04, 2005, 08:03 PM // 20:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eonwe

Vampiric and Zealous are the best weapon prefixes in the game.

No doubt about it.

Eonwe, any opinions on suffixes?

I kind of like the 20% to swords/axes/hammers, any estimates to what a lvl 17 attack does vs. a lvl 16 using a sup. rune?

smurfhunter · Nov 04, 2005, 08:04 PM // 20:04

this reminds me of when i used a conjure lightning warrior with a zealous sword.

sorry, just had to say

DeepFyre · Nov 04, 2005, 08:11 PM // 20:11

i ALWAYS go with a furious, as that translates into 10% more adrenaline ALWAYS.
(.10*1.0)*100=10%
combine that with battle rage and/or for great justice and adrenaline just keeps flowing in

Slimcea · Nov 04, 2005, 08:55 PM // 20:55

Vamp is good.. I find it slightly harder to accomdate zealous on a warrior though, especially if you're running any sort of energy based skills. Ideally, the best would be to have one of vamp and zealous, and a furious off-hand on switch, but carrying 3 axes might not be an option for PvP chars, and even in PvE, assembling those 3 axes might be more trouble than its worth.

For suffixes, I generally believe that either +5 or +30 are the only way to go. 20% chance for a +1 is generally quite a waste, since the damage isn't consistent and you lose a great deal from not using the two mentioned above.

yesitsrob · Nov 06, 2005, 02:18 AM // 02:18

For axes I quite like the lengthening deep wound prefix which for some reason I cannot recall the name of right now... cruel?

Suffix I go +5 defense all the time, I don't like reliying on percent chances, they rarely fire and +5 defense can make a big difference over the period of the game... more than 30hps worth of damage which is why I go for that over fortitude

smurfhunter · Nov 06, 2005, 02:21 AM // 02:21

just go with a furious axe of sunderment

NatalieD · Nov 06, 2005, 02:21 AM // 02:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slimcea

I find it slightly harder to accomdate zealous on a warrior though, especially if you're running any sort of energy based skills.

Wait, I don't understand. Zealous gets you more energy, at least if you use it right. (i.e., switch to a non-zealous weapon when you're not hitting people.) It doesn't even do anything if you have no energy-based skills.

Autumn_Leaf · Nov 06, 2005, 02:47 AM // 02:47

i would go with vamp, it's better than sundering hands down.
vs. furious, i have no clue, i just never really liked it. percentage wise 1 hit of adren. per every 10 hit vs. 3 life steal ~1.33 seconds(unless it vs a fleeing opp.) =~21 damage and 14 life gain.

Eonwe · Nov 06, 2005, 03:55 AM // 03:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank The Tank

Eonwe, any opinions on suffixes?

Defense or Fortitude, or Enchanting (depending on build).

Hannibel · Nov 06, 2005, 05:54 AM // 05:54

+5 is the best, you take less dmg from warrior always and in the long run taking less dmg is much more useful because with 30 life that's like 2 hits without the +5armor, furious is best since most of your skills are adreneline based that's what you wanna use